Episode 116: Near to the Heart of God

Debate topic: “At conception, Jesus was not God and man.” Cornell Thomas, author of Searching for Answers: When God Reveals His Image, affirms; Michael Burgos, author of Kiss the Son: A Christological Apology in Response to David K. Bernard’s The Oneness of God, denies. This episode contains the complete, 2+ hour debate.


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6 thoughts on “Episode 116: Near to the Heart of God

  1. My first time as a listener. I found the debate very interesting and will listen again to another debate.

  2. Paraphrasing … “If I am sent to the grocery store am I the same person or self that I was before I was sent?”

    Obviously not … in the process of going to the store, you established relationships, you learned new things, you have less money, you have more food, etc, etc.

    This is an age-old question in philosophy that neither participant seems to be familiar with.

  3. Tim you are correct, in order for you to be sent to the store, you will have the need to exit something, in your case your Home. In order for Jesus to be sent in the Likeness of sinful flesh, he to needed to exit something. In the beginning he was God and was with God. In order for him to be sent in the likeness of sinful flesh He was sent….. Jesus tells us He proceeded forth and came out from God….. And then the Word was made flesh…… When the Word was made flesh, he was sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, after he proceeded forth from God.

  4. I agree with you and this is a point that many fail to grasp. There was a transition from “the Word” to “the Son” as Luke 1:31-35 clearly states. He became the Son of God as a result of the “Holy Spirit coming upon Mary and the power of the Most High overshadowing her.”

    I found your main ideas pretty interesting. I have never heard the connection made between the Word and conscience before.

    You are also spot on in that much of our modern theology is a result of “theological innovation” in the second-fourth centuries.

  5. Though I am not a Trinitarian it is refreshing to read some trinitarians acknowledge Jesus was not God and man at birth. Jesus spoke the words of God for the Holy Spirit was on him without limit(John 3:34) The bible tells us the Holy Spirit descended on Christ in Bodily shape(or form) at his Baptism (Luke3:22)

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